Mark DeSaulnier actually said...

"Mr. Howley, I think you just said that all of these contracts were found to be fair and reasonable. Is that correct?"

"But my personal experience, like our witnesses today, from very divergent backgrounds, they have all had the same problem."

"It would be wonderful if GAO looked at our policies in the Federal Government and the state government that have reinforced the stigma."

"So stigma isn't just some amorphous that we should ring our hands about; it's reinforced by policy that we set."