Mark DeSaulnier actually said...

So what Mr. Howley just said is not accurate, just to----

So, in Congress' desire to, I think As Mr. Stein said, get rid of burdensome regulations, we have actually, perhaps, incurred costs that Con...

Another way of saying that in layman's terms is that was the only place to go to get the product.

But my personal experience, like our witnesses today, from very divergent backgrounds, they have all had the same problem.