Look, it was a very much fraud. What he is doing is interfering in the procession of Congress in terms of passing on in democracy and using, you know, very fluttery words of James Madison to absolutely have nothing to do with the powers of the vice president that day as an excuse to obstruct the power of Congress is still illegal, and, therefore, in my opinion, a traitorous act trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
Ruben Gallego describes actions taken by Jim Jordan as traitorous for attempting to interfere with the electoral process.
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