Jay Dickey: “If you want an answer from the politician's standpoint, we are past the point of debating that. It is behind us. We must…”

I mean, these trips are bad as we have seen the excesses, but getting away and looking back together about what we are doing here helps in the relationships, and I think it will help the dialogs if we do more of it.

I understand you are saying I am heartless, and you know better than that. What I am trying to say, what I want the question to be answered is, why not encourage these people to improve rather than to say this minimum is the maximum? Why…

I thank the gentlewoman, but the gentlewoman knows what is going to happen, and this is what is happening in these programs. Everybody takes what the figures are for this year. They know they have to spend them whether they are there or…

Let me ask the question now. Let me ask the question, if in fact we are going to accuse people who have been successful, of what you just accused.