So, Chairman Rogers, can you describe the potential effect a cyber-attack on critical infrastructure like this could have in the United States?

We must keep in mind the Trump administration's success in protecting our last mid-term elections from disruptive cyber incidents.

What they're trying to do is create chaos. They don't care. They don't like Democrat Americans any more than they like Republican Americans.

What we know is they'd love to get access to people's data from a nation-state perspective.

That's the scary part.

Every major adversary--China, Russia, North Korea, Iran--are ramping up the use of cyber because they know it has low consequence and high impact.

When you pay it, guess what? More people are deciding they want to get into the business and try and extract you from your money, and that's the problem we're running into.

Security is, I think, a very important discussion Congress is going to have to weigh in on.

And again, that's my argument for the Cyber Director.

Oh, boy, that may be the million-dollar question, Congressman.

I can tell you in my work in some of the private work that I do, including being vice chairman of Mitre Corporation, we haven't seen any, you know, flip one vote to another vote. Have not seen that.

Further, getting to the bottom of those 2 deaths is something that this committee has worked together on.

I would look at all the ways they're coming at us.

We need a strong leader in the White House to defeat the inertia that pushes investments in cybersecurity down the road.

If we want productive hearings, I would suggest to the Majority that we find time to hear from him in the next 2 weeks when we are in the District of Columbia.

I want to keep an open mind on the merits of any proposal to improve our national cybersecurity.

What I find this bill does that I think was different than previous discussions is that it doesn't expand government, which I'm really concerned about, it focuses government.

The nature of espionage is changing dramatically.

A perfectly thriving state can in a matter of months, even days, be transformed into an arena of fierce armed conflict...

It needs to say, 'Department X, you haven't performed.'

Kim Jong Un, who said the thing that's going to keep me in charge are nuclear weapons and cybersecurity, offensive cybersecurity.

I think most cities in America are not prepared for this, and they have old systems.

I think what that strategy was meant to do in 2018 for sure was bring us to a better place about coordination and understanding that our adversaries are using all the nation-state power they can bring to bear.

I am, too, saddened by the loss of Felipe and Jakelin. Both children and a teenager died while in the custody of CBP, or shortly after entering custody, which is totally unacceptable.

I think it would put us in a better position. I would hate to say 'finally.'