If we're going to change the system, it's important to talk about police. It's important to talk about prisons, but you have 4.5 million people in the country on probation and parole in his situation, and that system is a spider's web, Anderson, of Catch 22.
Van Jones emphasizes the need for reform in both policing and the probation system, pointing out the challenges faced by those on probation.
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I just think he likes to piss off liberals more than anything else, but I also don't think that he has closed the door on his own mind.
This is a punch in the gut because we only have leverage in two ways right now. One is in the courts and the other is with Congress.