I believe and I believe the--all of us believe that if we define winning as Ukraine surviving and thriving as a cleaner, democratic state, it can and it must and it will with our help.
Nuland emphasizes the importance of Ukraine's survival and democracy.
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I do not believe that had that Nord Stream 2 been cut off in January, that would have been decisive for Putin.
Our engagement since has focused on restoring the promise of that 2019 revolution and supporting a civilian-led transition to democracy and civilian rule.