Scott McClellan: “I think he believes that. He's convinced himself to believe that, but I don't think it's true.”

We should have embraced a high level of openness and forthrightness, in addition to that, and then the expectations wouldn't have gotten so out of whack, and we wouldn't have been in the problem we were -- we came to later when the…

You have a lot of good people that come there for the right reasons, to make a difference, but they get caught up in this permanent campaign culture, where it's all about manipulating the narrative to their advantage.

But the federal government should have taken more responsibility, because, to the American people, I think, the federal government is the failsafe backstop to all that.

It's too much about party and too little about the country. And we need to put the country first and put the party much lower.