I think that he, frankly, didn't really think that much about Ukraine, but he thought a lot about Russia as a great power. And he sort of accepted, I think, Putin's view of Ukraine is not really being a real country.
Yovanovitch reflects on Trump's perception of Ukraine and his alignment with Putin's views.
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I think that what we're seeing now is about... tearing down the international order that has served us so well since World War II.
It is really horrifying. And I think that it's important that we not allow Putin to set the conditions for this war.
But then Zelenskyy was elected president. I think Putin thought that he could manipulate Zelenskyy. He was sorely disappointed there.
I think that he has grown into that role. I mean, the man has met his moment, and he is a hero.