John B. Breaux: “I appreciate the Wizard of Oz analysis. I am afraid it is more like an Alice in Wonderland approach.”

I wonder if anybody in this body remembers Enron. Let's trust that they are going to do right. They are a U.S. corporation that created more tax shelters than the IRS could count. It took a group of Philadelphia lawyers 2 months to even…

My opinion is that in order to ever reach an agreement between the two parties, Congress is going to have to combine the best of what government can do with the best of what the private sector can do and put the two together.

Suppose you have somebody who may not do that. Is there any provision in the bill that says what will happen to the company that does not abide by the plan? I believe in trust but verify. If you don't do what you say you are going to do…

I do not think it was so much a problem with the prison as it was with people who ran the prison. It is not the physical plant that caused the problem. It is the people who were running the prison. If we do demolish a prison, are we not…