Joe Manchin: “I guess what I would ask you is is the Department of Labor activity working on solutions for this problem?”

We’re trying to get a person who can be committed to — and totally committed to – being an independent with an independent voice.

We don't even have a budget anymore.

My observation, and recommendation from observation, would be, John, trust me, set yourself free and become an independent.

They don't believe in these extreme causes and going to the extreme mats and fighting each other and hating the other side.