Joe Manchin: “It’s not -- it’s not going to be at three and a half, I can assure you.”

We got a runaway debt. We got inflation that's killing people. We've got an unsecured energy. We have a border that's out of control.

So you’re not making a commitment that you owe your soul to the company store, or basically to the parties, whether it be a D or an R, they’re going to have to earn your support, but the people will be much better off, and they’ll…

We don't even have a budget anymore.

We’re trying to build a true independent network.