Joe Manchin: “Every administration that I'm familiar with, including the Obama administration, started out with: We're going to engage…”

They don't believe in these extreme causes and going to the extreme mats and fighting each other and hating the other side.

I told him he was crazy in 2020 from working against her so hard and he’s crazy now to work against her.

We’re trying to get a person who can be committed to — and totally committed to – being an independent with an independent voice.

We’re trying to build a true independent network.