Joe Manchin: “We're into containment of Russian power.”

We’re trying to get a person who can be committed to — and totally committed to – being an independent with an independent voice.

So you’re not making a commitment that you owe your soul to the company store, or basically to the parties, whether it be a D or an R, they’re going to have to earn your support, but the people will be much better off, and they’ll…

My observation, and recommendation from observation, would be, John, trust me, set yourself free and become an independent.

We’re not trying to start another party.