Joe Manchin: “The OCO, some people refer to that as 'loco money', because if you look at the accounting procedures of how that happens…”

We’re trying to get a person who can be committed to — and totally committed to – being an independent with an independent voice.

I will make a decision in January -- at the end of this year.

We got a runaway debt. We got inflation that's killing people. We've got an unsecured energy. We have a border that's out of control.

My observation, and recommendation from observation, would be, John, trust me, set yourself free and become an independent.