Joe Manchin: “The coal plants mean ones with all the pollution controls on and the nuclear and all those up-to-specs and up-to-date.”

My observation, and recommendation from observation, would be, John, trust me, set yourself free and become an independent.

We’re trying to get a person who can be committed to — and totally committed to – being an independent with an independent voice.

We got a runaway debt. We got inflation that's killing people. We've got an unsecured energy. We have a border that's out of control.

So you’re not making a commitment that you owe your soul to the company store, or basically to the parties, whether it be a D or an R, they’re going to have to earn your support, but the people will be much better off, and they’ll…