Joe Manchin: “I don't know how it can be done without hands-on.”

The way the parties have weaponized the political process today, they make it impossible to have a 'D' or an 'R' next to your name and speak to the other side.

They don't believe in these extreme causes and going to the extreme mats and fighting each other and hating the other side.

My observation, and recommendation from observation, would be, John, trust me, set yourself free and become an independent.

We’re trying to build a true independent network.