Ron Johnson actually said...

What are the current problems involved in the hiring process right now, the top two or three?

How do we bridge that gap? Is that not sort of at the root cause of the problem here?

Again, reading the briefing materials, it sounds like there is a real reluctance now for GS-14 and 15s to move into the SES.

So initially, the SES was set up to provide the incentives and a pay differential between just general service employees versus managers, an...