Ron Johnson actually said...

OK, ``multiple billions.'' Are you talking $10 billion? Are you talking $15 billion?

I am not interested in the way Congress figures it. What does your profit and loss look like?

So, total, what does Amtrak lose a year, then, in total?

One of the reasons we had budget surpluses in the late 1990s is government spending was only a little over 18 percent.