Ron Johnson actually said...

The biggest problem with PBMs is we have Medicare and their formularies, and it makes it so unbelievably complex.

Competition solves an awful lot of problems, and we just do not have the competition, and certainly not in the PBM markets.

I think PBMs--this is a really interesting hearing, okay? But if you eliminate all the profitability and all the incentives for creating new...

Do we not also need more consumer involvement?