Ron Johnson actually said...

So we can change that law, we can change that reality, and then companies like Caterpillar will start manufacturing overseas.

Which probably, if we do this, would be exactly what large corporations like Caterpillar would do.

Can you talk a little bit about tax avoidance versus tax evasion?

there is nothing wrong with any taxpayer trying to comply with the tax code and trying to lower their tax burden, correct?