Ron Johnson actually said...

Competition solves an awful lot of problems, and we just do not have the competition, and certainly not in the PBM markets.

Do we not also need more consumer involvement?

The biggest problem with PBMs is we have Medicare and their formularies, and it makes it so unbelievably complex.

I think PBMs--this is a really interesting hearing, okay? But if you eliminate all the profitability and all the incentives for creating new...