Jim Sensenbrenner: “We have got two problems with the penalties for violating administrative regulations.”

It's up to us to constructively deal with this so that we can do more than just have a press release and make a difference.

Wouldn't that be up to somebody on the other side of the issue to say that this is not proven?

I have a point of order. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The gentleman will state his point of order.

But obstruction of Congress, when there is no referee, there is no adjudication, there is nothing but a majority that says, 'You give us what we want until we find a crime, or we are going to throw you out of office,' that is so…