03/27/2023
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"But we're broke, kind of getting back to what the chairman said, we're broke out of our mind, okay?"
"Do you think our judges or the rest of the judicial system is getting too involved in this treatment stuff and are not sending a strong enough message to the dealers?"
"Are you sure we want to remove that stigma? There used to be a stigma. And I think at the time there was a stigma and less people took heroin."
"I know we're stuck on kind of a trend of saying too many people are in prison, and there may be too many people in prison. But to me heroin and related drugs are a new thing."