07/22/2020
https://congress.gov...
"It's frustrating when people in that business who should be, above all, committed to making sure every dime is well spent, seem to view things as an opportunity to make ridiculously huge profits."
"Is there any program out there that you can say, at least say 70 percent of the people who go through this program do not relapse within five years?"
"I wish I could keep track of all the hearings I have spent before this."
"So, there is no program, or you just do not know."