Jim McDermott actually said...

They are going to have to change some state laws to actually make this rational.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to shift the questions just a little bit or the issues you have been dealing with here.

If they are doing it together, they cannot do it together. Is that what you are saying?

I mean, I was here under Clinton when we set the Clinton rates. Okay? I was here in 1993 when we did that vote, 1994, and the country was bo...