Tim Kaine actually said...

I think you said that about 10 percent of the procedures were cash payments. Is that right?

So even within your own pro-transparency network, you're not aware when you're treating patients whether they are being treated equally with...

Well, if they're not allowed to be done, then you're not going to have the data.

But I guess the gist of your testimony must be that the only reason people would pay cash is it's a discount.