Mark Warner actually said...

We actually did have Michael Barber come in and talk to us about the Delivery Unit model from the U.K.

I think--I can only speak for my State--a lot of folks did not understand what that act involved, did not understand it was the third larges...

As Senator Warner mentioned, very few public problems can be isolated to a particular department.

I think it gets harder at the State level, but you still have that chief operating officer role as the Governor.