03/23/2009
https://www.congress.gov...
"You have to be relentless, that none of this is easy, none of this comes quickly."
"There is governmental oversight, but there is not a governmental efficiency metrics performance group."
"There really is not that equivalent at the Federal level, and I think that has been one of the challenges."
"It would seem to me... we are going to see them again anytime soon."