07/16/2019
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"Fraud's a different matter. Fraud, I've got to go after it."
"We in Congress also need to take responsibility for our part in this."
"I mean--and I--this is not a new question, because I remember--unless I'm smoking something, but at this very room, this very subcommittee, we've looked at a figure of estimates of around $50- to $60 ..."
"I would love to see a--sort of a spitball strategy that says--okay. In theory, we know we can't ever get to zero."