03/19/2012
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"I believe we are in the midst of a paradigm shift when it comes to the management of our Federal lands."
"I just wonder that sometimes our concept of science isn't really science, it is more like value structure that is being viewed as some kind of science there."
"So it becomes counterproductive to go in there."
"This is one of those issues that I think we are going to be talking about."