John Curtis actually said...

"Yes, absolutely."

"I am, unfortunately, out of time. Hopefully, you interpret from my results that we don't feel heard, that we feel like we are doing a very good job of conservation ourselves."

"I just want to point out that we are doing a very good job of preserving ourselves, and I am not sure that there is anything in this rule that will do a better job of preserving in the area."

"The best solution is to rescind the rule."