John Curtis actually said...

"This has led to this amazing frustration, and I regret that we couldn't resolve this with this local office and I have to bring it here in a public manner to you, but I don't know what else to do."

"The Utah Wasatch-Cache National Forest has been unwilling to work with us on finding creative ways to meet the needs for more priority permit holders, as opposed to temporary permit holders."

"Our local guides are experiencing great frustration, as am I, in their ability to get permits to do that."

"Two-thirds of the land in Utah is owned by the Federal Government."