Jason Chaffetz: “You've been very generous with your time.”

I think this is far worse than Watergate, quite frankly.

I do believe, in principle, that if you want the best result, you are going to look to the people at the most local level.

So, to suggest that there was not a dialogue, you can point to President Obama. He never listened to us.

This was widely regarded as one of the worst governance systems in the world.