Jason Chaffetz: “What is unconscionable, what we cannot stand for are people that abuse the system.”

So, to suggest that there was not a dialogue, you can point to President Obama. He never listened to us.

I do believe, in principle, that if you want the best result, you are going to look to the people at the most local level.

Any quick visit to San Juan County, and you would quickly find out that getting to school is a major production.

This was widely regarded as one of the worst governance systems in the world.