If the answer to our economic problem is more regulation so that we get more people hired for compliance, we could go out and start hiring people to go rob banks.

I think, Mr. Chairman, that it is time for us now to try to deal--first of all, we have got to admit that we are a schizophrenic committee...

the more regulation you have, the more compliance cost you are going to have, but you are going to have to hire people, but they don't produce anything.

I think that these companies who did not take--see the writing on the wall, did not take this Congress seriously...

Mr. Chairman, could I defer at this point in time and let one of the other members who has been here ask questions?

I just can't do it.

Isn't it true that you get almost no health benefit from the reduction--the new standards for mercury reduction?

When you talk in your--I don't know if you talked in your testimony, but you gave us in an answer to a question, you just said that--you used the phrase 'real people.'

Well, you can't name it because it doesn't exist.

Amen. We all want to work together.

I mean, you are the only toxicologist on the panel here.