Lamar Alexander actually said...

I think we're going to spend over the next few years about $41 billion to maintain the interest subsidy for subsidized student loans.

Well, we have 9 million Pell grants, so that's 2 million or 3 million students. Is that right?

the way our system is set up, it's backward.

But most people who are eligible for a Pell grant end up getting the whole amount, don't they?