On the recordJanuary 29, 2020
I have a question for the President's counsel. The CHIEF JUSTICE. To the President's counsel: Would you please respond to the arguments or assertions the House managers just made in response to the previous question? Mr. Counsel PHILBIN. Mr. Chief Justice, Senators, a couple of points that I would like to make. Manager Schiff suggested that there was no evidence the President was actually interested in burden-sharing because he didn't, apparently, according to David Hale, raise it in the telephone conversation he had with Gordon Sondland that Hale seems to have overheard in a restaurant in Kiev. Let's look at the real evidence. As we explained, on June 24, there is an email in the record. It is an email from one person at the Department of Defense to another, with the subject line: ``POTUS' follow-up''--President of the United States' follow-up--asking specifically about burden-sharing. It reads: ``What do other NATO members spend to support Ukraine?'' That was what they were following up on for the President. In the transcript of the July 25 call itself, the President said: We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time on Ukraine, much more than the European countries are doing, and they should be helping you more than we are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk, and I think it is something you should really ask them about. He goes on to say that he talks to Angela Merkel about it and that they are not really doing as much as the United States is doing.…





