Tim Murphy actually said...

Ma'am, that is not true.

So it is OK that we are going to continue to lose these jobs and we are losing them today, we are going to lose more tomorrow.

A proposed rule does nothing for certainty for me, nothing, and so here is, I guess, my point: It doesn't seem like there is any sense of ur...

So my concern was, when the chairman went through, and there is no Federal-State exchange rule, there is no--for States--excuse me. There is...