Ron Wyden actually said...

The American Forest Resources Council, that's the organization that represents the majority of the industry here in Oregon, has been on the ...

We're putting a lot of eggs in a lot of baskets.

I certainly can't speak for Mr. Lillebo, but there may be some concerns that they have that they're not articulating.

I appreciate your candor, and the reason I'm asking the questions, again, is we've got a number of the timber organizations...