Ron Wyden actually said...

I think that's a pretty sweeping comment that there really isn't any standard of proof, that there isn't any, to your terminology, no partic...

With all due respect, Mr. Director, as I've said, you've worked very well with me. This is not what we've done over the years.

I want to know more about this.

Well, again, what is hard for us to address here is that we're to some extent doing oversight in the dark.