Ron Wyden actually said...

Putting them out means spending more money on what is known as wildfire suppression.

I thank my colleague. You're absolutely right in terms of your diagnosis and the opportunity to move ahead.

But that's what the agency has done over the last few years. That's what we continue to get testimony isn't getting the job done.

I'm looking for some specifics because what we have heard in the past is largely just a recycling of the various approaches.