Robert Packwood: “There is no question that the public is aware of the inequality.”

Well, that is why this committee--at least in Bill's and my era, there was much more nonpartisanship in the Senate than there apparently is today.

All of us in politics have seen natural leaders. Some of them are inside leaders, like Lyndon Johnson. Some are outside leaders, like Ronald Reagan.

To me, it seems like to do anything really big and consequential in this town, you really need presidential leadership.

Lloyd, you absolutely cannot count on my vote. I'm going to vote against it, but I will get you votes to pass it.