07/15/2019
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"OK. Thank you."
"I mean, when I served a number of years ago, we found significant problems in the integrity of that program."
"Right, which are double-blind, triple-blind, lawyers' offices and--yes."
"Thanks for holding this. I served 8 years on the House Committee on Homeland Security, and a lot of these programs were very much a work in progress when I served there."