Cliff Bentz: “I haven't heard, wait, wait, wait. You are drifting. You are avoiding my question.”

Absolutely. I don’t have a study yet that shows exactly how great that demand is.

And then you stack the California subsidy on top of that and perhaps the Oregon subsidy on top of that.

What you would do is you’d go back to those existing roads that have been abandoned and you would cut the trees out of them and presto, you have your road back.

One of the things that’s a huge challenge is access to get firefighters in so they can fight these fires.