Putin tried to shut Telegram down in 2018, and there was an outcry. They were workarounds and he couldn't do it.

He wouldn't want a Margaret Thatcher in the Oval Office and he doesn't know what he's going to get with a President Harris.

I would think the most important thing for him would be her relative lack of experience compared, for example, if Joe Biden in foreign affairs and in dealing with Russia.

The concern was that it would provoke Russia. It would be NATO at war against Russia.

Well, a couple of things are in first of all, at the start of the war NATO, the United States or NATO las resisted having this type of involvement by NATO as an organization.

What that suggests to me now, if there, if that's under consideration is for reason, you've just said is trying to make this not the United States supporting Ukraine or the United States and our individual NATO allies, but NATO itself.

This has been a longstanding problem that the Russians, through their proxy organizations like the Wagner Group, have been working, do ingratiate themselves into these countries it undermines the United States counter-terrorism mission.

A leader like Putin can't be manipulated that way. And President Trump thought that he could develop this personal relationship and it just wouldn't work, didn't work then, won't work in the future.

I think former President Trump's approach to Putin like his approach to other world leaders, was highly personal. He wanted to engage in personal diplomacy, develop a relationship with world theaters, including Putin.

Vladimir Putin believes he is at war with the United States.

That policy approach clearly failed.