John Kasich: “When we shift welfare, education, infrastructure, job training, Medicaid programs back to the states then we've got to…”

I think DeSantis is going to be a candidate, he'll will be -- it appear as a strong candidate, he's raised lots of money.

I don't know why he just didn't say no. I mean, why wouldn't you say, no, I don't think he should be president.

Of course, he should, Pamela. He ought to be condemning how this guy was able to basically lie his way into office.

If you don't have an agenda, if you can't get people excited, you're going to have a problem.