John Kasich: “If Ohio State came up to play your beloved Badgers and I asked for five downs to get a first down and you only got four…”

Of course, he should, Pamela. He ought to be condemning how this guy was able to basically lie his way into office.

It is absolutely outrageous and the party should do it. There is no reason to be hiding on things like this.

I think DeSantis is going to be a candidate, he'll will be -- it appear as a strong candidate, he's raised lots of money.

Let me just say one other thing, and that is, look, if there is anything this country needs, its leadership and its leadership across many different sectors of how our country works, whether it is business or sports, but in politics, this…