Jim Jordan actually said...

But the question always remains, as Dr. de Rugy pointed out, would it have happened anyway?

How much of that 96 percent--I think it is actually less than that. Out of 26 companies, three of them went bankrupt.

But you guys said, oh, it's all right, we are using taxpayer money, we can do that.

Taxpayers only lost hundreds of millions, they didn't lose billions, so that is a successful program.