12/08/2009
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"the fact of the matter is to get into dotting the I's and crossing the T's."
"Well, I would sure like to--how many of the agencies that were out there would have a national security dimension in them."
"And just for the record, do you agree that the M in OMB should be the person that should be the orchestra leader and the quarterback on it?"
"So your observation should be that Dr. Sanders is doing the job he is supposed to do?"